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Lilou Mace interviewed Tony in London in May 2009 and asked him questions such as: Why is fear such a problem in our society and what can being free of fears do for us? What did you learn from traveling? What are shamans and what did you learn from them? Why is breathing deeply so important? and What is the Illusion of the 'I'? To hear Tony's replies we invite you to watch the following videos:
The "YES" Breathing Techniques by Tony Samara What did you learn from traveling? What are Shamans? What wisdom did you learn from them? An Interview with Tony Samara: Questions and AnswersDid you ever have a very deep spiritual experience like enlightenment?This is an interesting question, as for me the fact that I am teaching a spiritual tradition must mean that I have knowledge that I comprehend enough to pass on to the people who seek me out, meet me by chance, work with me or just happen to come by this way of working. Firstly I do not feel comfortable with the word enlightenment, as this is usually understood by western people and society in general as someone having reached something, which means that on some level there is a dualism, a separation, between the enlightened and the non-enlightened. I believe that we all are born with an innate sense of freedom that is always with us. In a sense we are all enlightened, we simply have forgotten this part of ourselves as other aspects of our being become much more in the forefront of our consciousness. Having said that, in all spiritual traditions, including the one that I work with, there is a transcendence of the mundane or ego which imparts a sense of freedom that is not normally an everyday experience of the general population in the world today. And this experience I call by no name because as soon as you put a label on it, it creates ideas in the mind (if those ideas are already there for some reason), which then take us away from this actual experience. To value each experience is the primary goal of this spiritual discipline as then we begin to value ourselves in the most profound way - as one with life. I think we all have very deep spiritual experiences but it makes no sense to have those experiences if they don't have a reference point. This reference point is a sense of consciousness that comes with practice. This consciousness is ever expanding, and at some point expands to a level where there is an awareness beyond the circular nature of the mundane experiences that most people go through today. This reference point is not, in my opinion, dramatised in one moment but rather a continued growth and at a certain point that growth goes beyond the limitations that we have in a personal sense and takes us to the ultimate freedom that some people describe as enlightenment. At this stage that mundane reference point becomes obsolete as the expanded awareness takes us much further beyond those mundane limitations that form such a dualism. So to answer your question am I enlightened? Really the only way to know this in its truth is to be enlightened yourself and then you will see whether that sense of enlightenment corresponds to the person that you ask the question of. If you do not have such a reference point then ultimately the relationship would have to be of trust. Not in my words saying that I am enlightened but rather in the work that allows you to experience this sense of enlightenment. Many people that have worked with me say that I am very confusing as there is no formal dogma or simple guideline that helps one see the complexity and at the same time the simplicity of becoming "enlightened". This confusion is simply the minds of these people seeking an understanding of enlightenment and somehow it is confusing for them as they are unable to put a label onto the work that I do. Ultimately the goal is for all of us to be enlightened as we are all the same, we are all one. Do you understand yourself as a spiritual master/teacher?Yes, I do. And hence the very rigorous work that happens around this spiritual discipline. It is not simply a healing technique or a method of self-improvement or even a spiritual modality such as Reiki or Tai Chi. I work with people as a guide. Some people call me a spiritual master. In the tradition that I work in I don't use such terminology but it would correspond to the meaning behind such a title. Again I would like to emphasise that my goal is the direct experience of each person rather than the passing down of knowledge in the form of dogma. This often entails challenging the mind as it tries to set and mould ideas of experiences into its own reality to avoid the intimate relationship with this moment and hence life itself. This as not quite the normal mode of being does create a sense of uneasiness, which the mind then likes to interpret as "something" in its bid to justify its own obsolete existence in that moment. As I am not addressing that part of the person (the ego) but rather the person themselves, then some people's idea of teacher/master quickly breaks down into doubt and confusion about who or what I actually am. For me it is actions that speak rather than labels. |





